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 4rail.net - Super High Speed Trains  
Welcome to the Super High Speed Trains theme page!    

Created for 4rail.net by John McKey. Pictures by Pekka Siiskonen, Ilkka Siissalo, Sanna Siissalo, John McKey and Miroslav Broz.


Some of the newer additions:  


Brand new TGV-POS's pose in Paris Gare du Nord for the camera. Almost brand new...the locomotives are new, while the coaches are from the TGV-Reséau sets. Single story trains of 320 km/h serve well the limited numbers of passengers between France and Germany. once the volumes pick up, it's almost guaranteed that the double decked coaches will be swapped to these units. Picture by Sanna Siissalo 2008.      


A Thalys PBKA number 4243 boarding in Paris-GNO. As 40% more passengers are expected to travel the Thalyses within next 3 years, seventh daily return trip between Paris and Amsterdam were/will be added beginning March 2008. Picture by Sanna Siissalo 2008. 



 TGV * ICE * Bombardier Super High Speed *     
Below the Super High Speed trains are sorted be type. Click any types link for details!  

Currently this page is UNDER CONSTRUCTION, please see the super high speed main for better selection.


 TGV (Train a Grande Vitesse) of Alstom   
The Alstom built TGV is often synonymous for the super high speed travel by train. Currently over 500 TGV units transport daily passengers in and in the neighboring countries fo France. South Korea is also one of the users. The TGV has proven its place in the heavy daily traffic since 1980s and is considered uncrowned leader for the super high speed trains class. The train has been found both reliable and safe.  Passengers sometimes refer the travelling on the TGV as "flying on the ground" since it is both smooth and fast on the most super high speed lines, true also from the viewpoint that the TGV units have often successfully replaced the airliners as the preferered method of travelling in the distance of max. 1000 km.  
        
Units built: around 500, 1978 to current - and well into future   
Unit owners: SNCF, Thalys, SBB, Renfe, Eurostar, Korean rail (Korail), French Postal services, ...     
Maximum allowed speed: 270 km/h (168 mph) - 340 km/h (211 mph)    
Electrical systems: 2 to 4 voltage systems (750V, 1500V, 3000V, 15KV, 25kV)    
Train control: depending on the operations area and the age of the trainset. TVM-430 seems to be typical, as well as the Paneuropean ETCS for all new units.
Usage: All around France, in United Kingdom, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg. Korea. 
 
   Detailed information on the TGV trains (TGV Theme Page)... 
   
   



 ICE (Inter City Express) of Siemens   
The ICE from Germany is the challenger for the TGVs. While the Germans studied high speed travel already at the 19th century, in was not until 1980s before the dream of super high speed travel became true. Partly this is because the country at the same time developed another super high speed trains technology, the Maglev (magnetic levitation train/track). The ICEs were originally built by a large consortium of mostly German companies, but the latest ICE3/Velaro units are manufactured by Siemens AG of Germany.  
   
What was lacked in the initilal start speed for manufacturing of the ICE/Velaro trains, the Siemens has acquired later. By 2012 there will be over 400 units in traffic world wide, the latest order from mthe Chinese being 140 units!
  
Units built: around 300, 1989 to current - and to future   
Unit owners: DB (Deutsche Bahn), Renfe (Spanish Railways), Chinese companies under MOR, Rzd (Russian railways)     
Maximum allowed speed: 280 km/h (174 mph) - 360 km/h (224 mph)    
Electrical systems: 1 to 3 voltage systems (1500V, 15KV, 25kV)    
Train control: depending on the operations area.
Usage: All around Germany, France, Spain, Russia and Belgium. China.    
 
   Detailed information on the ICE trains (ICE Theme Page)...     
   
 
Bombardier Super High Speed Trains    
To be added soon.
   
As a major trains manufacturer the Bombardier has strong presence both ion experimental and operating super high speed trains market. Tha latest achievement has been a major order of 80 Zefiro type super high speed trains to China.    
 
 

 ! ! ! Under construction from here! ! !
  


  





 


    


   

  




 TGV's    
TGV-PSE (TGV Paris-Sud-Est)     


The TGV-PSEs units 96 and 17 here seen at Gare du Nord in Paris France behind their newer cousing Thalys PBKA unit 4306. Picture by Sanna Siissalo 2008. 
   


A great view to the structure of the articulated TGV trailers on this TGV Lyria's TGV-PSE unit number 47 at Bellegarde France. Notice the faded "TGV 25 Ans " (years) logo on the nose of the train. In France the super high speed period has lasted already for well over a quarter of a century! Picture by Ilkka Siissalo 2007.  
     

The first generation TGV-trains, the TGV Sud-est, were painted attractive red and orange for super high speed traffic, which started in 1981 between Paris and Lyon in France. After decades of intense research many technical details were still conservative on these production vehicles. I.e. traditional DC traction motors were used and the suspension system was originally provided with !springs! instead of pressurized air. The trains have served well and were the important first step for the success of the TGV. The TGV-PSE units were rebuilt around year 2000 and repainted to the current SNCF blue-silver-gray high speed colours. Rebuilding also meant upgrading the speed  to the 300 kph (from the original 270 kph) for most units. Being a great success as the production super high speed train almost all of the TGV-PSE's are still in their original revenue earning use around France and Switzerland.      
 
Technical details 
-> Delivered to use: April 1980 - 1988, rebuilt around year 2000
-> Number of units: Originally 102+9, now 109 (+ 3,5 La Poste units)
-> Configuration: Power Car (Bo-Bo) + Powered Trailer + 6 trailers + PT+ PC (Bo-Bo)

-> Capacity: 345 passengers in two class configuration (368 seats)
-> Operated by SNCF, SBB/CFF, La Poste (French Postal Services),
-> operations area: Around the high speed and traditional networks inside France and the tricurrent versions also in Switzerland.
   
-> Unit length: 200,2 meters
-> Unit power: 6450 kW (8646 Hp), 6 powered bogies 
-> Power to weight ratio (Hp): 22,46
-> 9 tricurrent versions: 25kV 50-60 Hz AC + 1500V DC + 15kV 16,66 Hz AC
-> 98 bicurrent versions: 25kV 50-60 Hz AC + 1500V DC
-> Operational max. speed: originally 270 km/h, now 300 km/h

-> Train control system: most units TVM 430, some left TVM 300  
-> Mass, metric tons: bicurrent 385 t / 418 t gross, tricurrent 390 t / ? 
-> Wheel diameter: 920 mm
-> Axle weight 17 tons
   
Easy recognition guide

  • blue and gray, (postal services unit(s) yellow), 
  • more boxy look than on the Reseau/Atlantique models otherwise quite similar. 
  • Above the driver roof and the body of the locomotive there is an easily noticeable step. This can not be found otherwise at first look similar TGV-A.   
  • The first bogies of the coaches are powered (unlike in the following evolution versions). 


Running the TGV-PSE in Switzerland: The swiss 15kV 16,66 Hz AC system can't provide enough power for the 1st generation TGV's electrical system to run at their maximum speed and thus the speed is reduced to around 200 km/h. As a careful observer, you may notice that this means the French older 1500V DC system is insufficiet for higher speeds needs as well. However, the 1500V in France is only used around bigger cities and traditional lines with no capability to super high speed (>275 km/h) operations. All the super high speed LGV's (Lignes à Grande Vitesse) are equipped with the newer 25kV 50-60 Hz AC.
Notes:  
Future  
-> New! The SNCF unweiled plans in march 2009 to rebuilding the complete line of 107 TGV-PSEs to match todays needs. No details on the program are published yet, but the price is estimated to be 150 million euros. SNCF expects the original TGV manufacturer Alstom, German super high speed manufacturer Siemens AG and the international railroad rolling stock manufacturer Bombardier among 2 others to take part in the competition for the deal. It would be easy to imagine that all the 214 locomotives, 1391 bogies, all the absolidated technology to be replaced or completely rebuilt while preserving the structure of the locomotives and trailers where possible. Top speed might be incresed to 320 km/h to match taht of the newer TGV units. The reason for the rebuilding program most likely is need for additional units (seems to be permanent state for SNCF due to strong demand of super high speed services) and the attractive price tag compared with the new unit acquisition.      
History
-> La Poste (the French National Postal Services) has 2,5 TGV-PSE units for its express mail services. These units have not been cleared for 300km/h operations like the all the SNCF TGV-PSEs were after the refurbishing. More likely maximum speed for TGV La Poste is 270 km/h, still quite sufficient for the parcel and freight operations!
-> All SNCF TGV-PSE's were refurbished around the year 2000. The infamous orange-white-blue livery was painted silver-gray and blue and interiors of the trailers were upgraded. The maximum speed was raised from 270 km/h to 300 km/h matching that of the newer Atlantique and Réseau units and the standard minimum speed for the French super high speed lines, the LGVs.
-> Unit 16 set the 1981 speed record of 380 km/h. See our records page for details...  
-> TGV-PSE Unit 38 was converted to a third La Poste TGV set in 1994. (MB)
-> TGV-PSE Unit 46 hit a truck with the huge concrete mixer stuck on the level crossing near the Swiss border late 2007. The train speed just before the accident was fortunately just 100 km/h (65 mph). Although the truck driver was killed (as the truck was torn apart), the engineer and some passengers injured were 'just' injured. The TGV unit 46 suffered major damage on its forward locomotive and the whole unit derailed. As with previous derailments, the TGV safety features prevented any major accident from happening (the trains stayed aligned in spite of derailment and the locomotives collision structure protected the engineer).  At first it was thought that SNCF could borrow the locomotive from La Poste's half unit to get the unit running again, but later it was reported that the unit 46 was towed very slowly for repairs or storage. One of the alternatives is that this would be the first cargo TGV-unit or the third La Poste unit, as it is unsure whether repairs will cost so much (TGV-PSE's are at the end of their lifecycle just 10-15 years remaining in active duty) that it would be wiser to order new TGV-Dasy or AGV unit instead. March 2009 SNCF unweiled plans to repair this unit as well as a part of the TGV-PSE rebuilding program.
-> TGV-PSE unit 70 hit a special road transport of 80 tons at the level corossing in Voiron and was severely damaged in 1988. The engineer and one passenger died as a result.  Power car and 3 trailers were destroyed and the rest of the train was used as a spare. (MB)
-> TGV-PSE unit 88 was used for TGV-Atlantique testing and renumbered as unit 118.  
-> TGV-PSE unit 101 was for years (from 1997 to 2000) used as a test lab for the tilting technology as a TGV P-01. After the extensive tests were completed in the middle of the year 2000 the unit 101 was returned back to normal service without the tilting capacity. Tilting tests were started with Fiat Ferroviaria tilting mechanics but later replaced by (the French said more robust, advanced and cheaper) Alstoms own tilting technology. Interestingly this technology is said to be used in the most recent Pendolino units. This would be logical, since the Alstom acquired Fiat Ferroviaria years ago. The tilting technology was most likely used on the Amtrak Acela tilting TGV like units in the Northeastern U.S.A. from 2004.  
-> TGV-PSE units 112 and 114 are in Swiss SBB/CFF ownership.  
->
It's probable that the future of the TGV-PSE units is in the "quieter" routes to give room to more spacious double decked TGV-Duplex, TGV-Hybrid and TGV-Dasy units. Or some of the unit might be adapted to fast freight use if the market for that is found "interesting". The TGV Manufacturer Alstom has had plans for the super fast freight units for decades. 
-> The TGV units (mostly TGV-PSE) trafficing to Switzerland from France are called with the brand name "TGV Lyria". The TGV Lyria stop in Switzerland at:  Basel, Zurich, Sargans, Landquart, Chur, Pontarlier, Neuchatel, Bern, Vallorbe, Lausanne, Montreaux, Aigle, Martigny, Sion, Siders, Leuk, Visp, Brig and Geneva (end 2008 information from TGV Lyria).
 

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Snails on rail 2
Snails on rail? Turn your head or see the next picture...
TVG, not snail...
...and the snail logo turned around!
TGV-PSE Paris Gare de Lyon
One of the over hundred unit herd of the TGV-PSEs.
The older TGV and the TGV new meet
The newer meets the old, the age of the original TGV design shows well in this picture. The TGV Duplex on the left unit number 208 and a TGV-PSE on the right.

TGV-PSE in its original attractive orange-blue-white  livery. Picture in Lyon France by Pekka Siiskonen 1983. 

A pair of TGV-PSE units dashing on the LGV high speed line between Paris and Lyon in 1987. Picture by Pekka Siiskonen. 

The panning of the camera shows an interesting view on the automatic couplers of the orange colored TGV-PSE units. Picture by Pekka Siiskonen.

Inside the second class of the brand new TGV-PSE trailer. Looks quite aschetic compared to todays interiors. Picture by Pekka Siiskonen 1983.

The TGV-PSE unit 117, here seen in Zurich Switzerland is built with trivoltage electricity systems (25kV 50-60 Hz AC + 1500V DC + 15kV 16,66 Hz AC)  to enable it to reach both France and Switzerland. In Europe there is no such thing as a common electrical system although for the newer implementions of the 25kV 50 Hz AC seems to be popular. Picture by Ilkka Siissalo.
TGV PSE unit 95 Paris Gare du NordIn the picture on the left the TGV Paris Sud-Est unit 95 seen at Gare du Nord in Summer 2009. Picture by Robert Forsstrom. 
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TGV-Atlantique / TGV-A    


TGV-Atlantique set number 354. Externally similar to TGV-Réseau sets, Atlantiques have 10 trailers instead of the usual 8. 



The second generation of the TGV trains, TGV Atlantique, was designed shortly after the excellent experiences on the operations of the TGV-PSEs were available. The original operating area for these improved super high speed trains was the French new LGV Atlantique line between Paris, Le Mans and 2 short branches (south west of Paris) finished in 1989-1990. 
  
The design is more aerodynamical than its predecessor, suspension was provided with air (SR 10 suspension) and traction motor type was now 3 phase AC syncronous to provide more power and reduce time spent in the maintenance. The power to the track to move the train was now delivered by the locomotives only (TGV-PSE has two powered trailer cars) totalling 8800kW (2x4400kW) and the number of trailers was increased from the traditional 8 to 10 since the original operations area was "relatively flat" unlike the first line LGV Sud-Est between Paris and Lyon which has 3,5% gradients! Operational speed ot the TGV Atlantique was now higher 300 km/h (186 mph) from the beginning. The paint was redesigned as well and was for the first time the famous silver and blue TGV style that we know today. The two first units wore for a test period Shinkansen like white-blue paint. 
   
Technical details  
-> Delivered to use: April 1988 - 1991
-> Number of units: 105, originally ordered 95, later added 10 more
-> Unit numbers 301- 405
-> Configuration: Power Car 
(Bo-Bo) + 10 trailers + PC (Bo-Bo)
-> Capacity: 485 passengers in two class configuration
-> Owned and operated by SNCF (The French National Railways)
-> operations area: All around the high speed and traditional networks in France
 
-> Unit length: 237,5 meters
-> Unit power: 8800 kW (11796 Hp), 4 powered bogies on locomotives
-> Power to weight ratio (Hp): 26,56
-> 105 bicurrent versions: 25kV 50-60 Hz AC + 1500V DC
-> Operational max. speed: 300 km/h
 
-> Train control: units 301-385 TVM 300, 386-405 newer TVM 430
-> Mass, metric tons: 444t net / 484 t gross

-> Wheel diameter: 920 mm
-> Coupler type: Scharfenberg for coupling with TGV-Atlantique, TGV-Réseau, TGV-Duplex, TGV-Hybrid and TGV-Dasy sets in multiple 

-> Axle weight max: 17 tons
 
Easy recognition guide

  • Silvery gray with blue band (similar older Thalys models are painted red and gray).  
  • More aerodynamic round forehead than on the TGV-PSE. 
  • Where the TGV Réseaus have 8 intermediate trailers, the TGV Atlantique has 10. 
Notes:
-> The TGV Atlantique have been in the internal trailer renovation program since 2006 after almost 20 years of revenue use.
 
-> Unit 325 set the new high speed trains speed record of 515,3 km/h in 1990
See our records page for details...  
   
-> Trailer 1 has the accessible space for wheel chair plus a larger bathroom. 
-> Trailer 10 has a compartment for 17 children.  
   
          
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TGV-Réseau / TGV-R  + Thalys PBA     


The SNCF TGV-Reséau set 552 in Paris right next to its 'competitor' the Deutsche Bahn ICE3.  Picture by Sanna Siissalo 2008.



Thalys PBA (TGV Reséau series) unit number 4531 (the first Thalys delivered) behind sports the attractive red and silver sceme of the trainset between Paris, Belgium, Luxembourg and parts of Germany. Thalys is a joint venture of the national railroad passenger operators north of Paris. All the Thalys PBA units are currently being refurbished and come out with a stylish new looks. The reddish color schemes outside and inside are preserved.  In the front the Thalys PBKA, which has a TGV Duplex like locomotives coupled to single story trailers. Picture by John McKey 2004.              

TGV Réseau is the other second generation TGV train set type. Externally similar to the Atlantique sets, the Réseaus have 8 intermediate trailers instead of the 10 on Atlantique. This makes Réseau sets "standard" TGV-length, 200 meters from one end to another, and allows the double sets to use the French standard 400 meter platform length effectively.   The Réseau units were also slightly improved from the Atlantique type by adding the seals against the pressure variations (just like airplanes, or newer locomotives).   
   
The SNCF ordered 100 of the Réseaus as universal trains sets to complement both TGV-PSEs and TGV-Atlantiques. With new lines opening and more and more passengers boarding the TGVs, extra capacity was needed. Later 10 of the initial order were converted to Atlantique sets. Another 10 units were delivered to Thalys in 1996 to be used for high speed traffic between France, Belgium, The Netherlands. Luxembourg and Germany.        
   
Technical details 
-> Delivered to use: spring 1993 - 1995 (SNCF), 1995 - 1996 (Thalys)
-> Number of units:
      SNCF+Thalys : Originally ordered 100, later reduced to 90   
      SNCF unit numbers: 501 - 553 (79 in roster) 
      Thalys unit numbers: 4531 - 4540 (10 in roster)  
-> Configuration: Power Car (Bo-Bo) + 8 trailers + PC (Bo-Bo)
-> Capacity (SNCF): 377 passengers in two class configuration,
R1-R3 cars are first class with total of 120 seats,
R4 is a car with a bar plus 16 2nd class seats
R5-R7 are 2nd class coaches with 56 reclining seats each
R8 56 + 17 seats
in addition there are 11 first class and 15 second class tip up seats and one extra seat is for the handicapped in the car R1.    
-> Owned and operated by the SNCF (The French National Railways) & and Thalys
-> operations area: All around the high speed and traditional networks in France, Belgium. Luxembourg, The Netherlands and western part of Germany, occasionally even Italy.  A very common sight on the super high speed lines! 
  
-> Unit length: 200,2 meters
-> Unit power: 8800 kW (11796 Hp), 4 powered bogies on locomotives
-> Power to weight ratio (Hp): 30,79
-> 50 bicurrent versions (units 1-50): 25kV 50-60 Hz AC + 1500V DC
-> 24 tricurrent versions (version 1: units 4507-4530): 25kV 50-60 Hz AC + 1500V DC + 3000 DC (plus Belgian cab signalling).
-> 6 tricurrent versions (version 2: units 4501-4506): 25kV 50-60 Hz AC, 1500V DC + ? + plus Italian cab signalling system and pantograps for operating into Italy.
-> 10 tricurrent versions (version 3) in Thalys colors (Thalys PBA numbers 4531 to 4540): 25kV 50-60 Hz AC + 1500V DC + 3000 DC, Faiveley CX pantograps and TBL cabsignalling.
-> Operational mx. speed 320 km/h (199 mph)
  
-> Mass, metric tons: 444t net / 484 t gross
-> Wheel diameter: 920 mm
-> Coupler type: Scharfenberg for coupling with TGV-Atlantique, TGV-Réseau, TGV-Duplex, TGV-Hybrid and TGV-Dasy sets in multiple
-> Réseaus are pressure sealed (like airplanes) for better comfort running through tunnels /meeting another train
-> Axle weight max: 17 tons
  

Easy recognition guide

  • SNCF units:
  • Blue and silvery gray , the Thalys models are painted red and gray
  • More aerodynamic round forehead than on the TGV-PSE
  • Where the Réseaus have 8 intermediate trailers, Atlantique has 10,  so you need to do some counting.

  • Thalys units:
  • If its red and looks like the older TGV design, its Thalys PBA. 
  • The rebuilt units have a phoenix bird like design covering much of the locomotives sides. 
Notes:
SNCF: 
-> operational speed was raised from 300 km/h to 320 km/h in 2007 to enable running in LGV-Est as well.
Thalys:

-> All the Thalys PBA units are being rebuilt during the years 2009 - 2010. The first refurbished unit was seen operating in March 2009. The red and silver paint sceme has been preserved on the refurbished units. plus the locomotives now have a huge "phoenix bird" figure covering much of the sides.
           
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The general use TGV Reseau sets number 508 and 509 coupled together at their terminal Gare du Nord. Picture by John McKey 2004. 

Thalys PBA number 4536, a 'disquised' trivoltage TGV-Réseau set stopping in the night of the Brussels Midi.  




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TGV-Hybrid / TGV-Réseau-Duplex         


The SNCF TGV-Hybrids have similar locomotives to the TGV-Réseau set 552 in Paris Gare du Nord.  Picture by Sanna Siissalo 2008.      


 

TGV-Hybrid is a TGV unit with the TGV-Réseau locomotives with the new TGV-duplex type double decked coaches. 19 units were built/converted from year 2007 to 2008. While the train has an easily distinguishable Réseau locomotive at both ends, these are disguised by the Duplex like broad blue band on the locomotive. 
     
The origin of the conversion to the hybrids was in the difficult capacity situation for the SNCF in the years 2006-7. The operator had a shortage of capacity on the most trafficked lines and on the other hand fast 320 km/h (199mph) capacity was needed for the LGV-Est. To help in both needs the SNCF decided to swap the coaches of both train types: New TGV-POS engines were coupled with Réseau trailers and Réseau locomotives got brand new double decked coaches. 

     
Why to swap the coaches: The 320 km/h (199 mph) TGV-POS units are used in the area, where the traffic volumes don't yet demand the usage of the double decked units (traffic has not saturated the capacity of the track or stations) and higher than normal speed is needed. On the other hand the enhanced TGV-Hybrid units have added passenger capacity for the crowded lines south of Paris. Where the added strength of the newest TGV locomotives is needed for the operational speed of max 320 km/h (199 mph) on the LGV Est, the TGV-Hybrids with their Réseau locomotives are well suited for the conventional 300 km/h (186 mph) French high speed networks.
 
Technical details
-> Converted / delivered to use: 2007 - 2008 
-> Number of units: 19 units  
-> Configuration: Réseau Power Car (Bo-Bo)  + 8 Duplex/Dasy trailers + Réseau Power Car (Bo-Bo)
-> Capacity: ??? passengers in two class configuration
-> Owned and operated by: SNCF (The French National Railways) 
-> operations area: All around the high speed and traditional networks in France
     
-> Unit length: 200 meters
-> Unit power: 8800 kW (11796 Hp), 4 powered bogies on locomotives
-> Operational max. speed: 300 km/h (186 mph)
  
-> Train control systems: TVM 430
-> Mass, metric tons: ___t net / ___ t gross

-> Coupler type: Scharfenberg for coupling with TGV-Atlantique, TGV-Réseau, other TGV-Hybrid and TGV-Duplex/Dasy sets in multiple
-> TGV-Hybrids are pressure sealed (like airplanes) for better comfort running through tunnels / meeting another train
-> Axle weight max: 17 tons
   
Easy recognition guide

  • Pointed Réseau locomotives and doubled decked rounder coaches.
  • Silvery gray with broad blue painting (original Réseaus have narrower stripe) along the sides (occasionally some units might have adverticement vinyls to cover more or less of the train exterior). 

          
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TGV-Duplex    

TGV Duplex nr 235
The infamous TGV-Duplex unit 235 in Paris Gare de Lyon in 2002. Picture by John McKey.
  


If the previous train set was named TGV Duplex with the double decked coaching, this Thalys PBKA train with similar locomotives and simple traditional single story trailers could maybe be named "TGV Simplex"? Picture above of Thalys PBKA number 4343 by Sanna Siissalo and Picture below of Thalys PBKA number 4307 by John Mckey. Both Pictures at Paris Gare du Nord.    

The third generation of the TGV trains, the Duplex was developed  to add extra capacity on the lines, which will be saturated by traffic in the coming years. These lines include the original PSE line (LGV Paris-Sud Est) and the line north of Paris. The Duplex has a new power car design, double decked coaches and numerous improvements to the earlier designs.   

The Duplex is easily distinguishable from the older TGV's by it's locomotives streamlined design and double decked coaches. The number of double decked units is ever increasing with tens of more unit in order for the SNCF. The newest locomotives for TGV-POS have very similar design, but look different due to their "updated" paint scemes (to accommodate these with the Reséau trailers).

Technical details
-> Delivered to use:
     SNCF: 1995 - present (1st batch 1995-98, 2001-2004 2nd, 3rd and 4th batches, 2004-2006 5th batch, Duplex "Dasy" 2007-2009)
     Thalys PBKA: 1996 - 1998.
-> Number of units: 89
-> Configuration: Power Car + 8 double decked trailers + PC
-> Capacity: 545 passengers in a comfortable two class configuration
-> Owned and operated by SNCF (The French National Railways)
-> Operations area: Around the high speed and traditional networks in France and Switzerland

-> Unit length: 200,2 meters
-> Unit power: 8800 kW (11796 Hp), 4 powered bogies on locomotives
-> Power to weight ratio (Hp): 31,04
-> ??? bicurrent versions: 25kV 50 - 60 Hz AC, 1500V DC
-> ?? tricurrent versions: 25kV 50 - 60 Hz AC, 1500V DC, 15kV 16,66 Hz AC
-> Operational max. speed: 300 - 320 km/h

-> Mass, metric tons: 380t net / 424 t gross
-> Power car wheel diameter: 920 mm
-> Coupler type: Scharfenberg for coupling with TGV-Atlantique, TGV-Réseau and TGV-Duplex sets in multiple
-> Duplexes are pressure sealed (like airplanes) for better comfort running through tunnels /meeting another train
-> Track axle weight max: 17 tons


Easy recognition
  • SNCF: Painted silver and blue, with a white stripe. 
  • Thalys: Painted all red. Thalys text with a bird figure.
  • The engine is streamlined like in the picture on the left, edges rounder than on the older versions. 
  • Just one flat windshield. 
     
  • SNCF: the coaching is double decked (the TGV-POS's are at first sight quite similar, only obvious difference being the single story coaches).  
  • Thalys: Single story trailers.   


 
 
   
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TGV-Dasy (TGV-"Daisy")    

TGV Duplex nr 235
The TGV-Duplex units are painted the same way as the Dasy's and look externally at first glance the same.  Picture by John McKey 2002.

The name TGV-"Dasy"/TGV-"Daisy" stands for the "Duplex Asynchronous". Once top of the line, the double decked TGV's, newer and slightly more powerful TGV-Dasy units are rolling out of the assembly line at Alstom for the French National Railways SNCF. As asynchronous traction motors require less maintenance and are more powerful on the higher speed than their DC counterparts, the order for this evolutionary model a logical move from the SNCF. Less maintenance translates to greater return for the investment for the owner. Unlike AGV's TGV-Dasy units use the tried traditional TGV design, which has proved to be both reliable and safe with millions of kilometers travelled since it's introduction in the early 1980's. Double decked Dasys are intended to add capacity to lines, which are already crowded. This will postpone the needed infrastructure investments along these lines. 

Technical details 
-> Delivered to use: 2007 - present 
-> Number of units: 24 (200?)
-> Configuration: Power Car (AC) + 8 double decked trailers + PC (AC)
-> Capacity: 512 passengers in a comfortable two class configuration
-> Owned and operated by SNCF (The French National Railways)
-> Operations area: Around the high speed and traditional networks in France

-> Unit length: 200 meters
-> Unit power: 9280 kW (         Hp), 4 powered bogies on locomotives
-> Power to weight ratio (Hp):  
-> 24 bicurrent versions: 25kV 50-60 Hz AC, 1500V DC
-> Operational max. speed: 320 km/h

-> Mass, metric tons:    t net /      t gross
-> Coupler type: Scharfenberg for coupling with TGV-Atlantique, TGV-Réseau, TGV-Dasy, TGV-POS and TGV-Duplex sets in multiple 
-> Dasys are pressure sealed (like airplanes) for better comfort running through tunnels /meeting another train
-> Track axle weight max:    tons


Easy recognition
  • It is hard to make difference between Dasy's and Duplexes, the unit numbers are the best recognition guide. 
  • Painted silver and blue, with a white stripe.
  • The engine is streamlined like in the picture on the left, edges rounder than on the older (Hybrid / PSE / Atlantique / Réseau) versions.   
  • Rounded front coupler cover (to distinguish from the previous generations)  
  • Just one flat windshield. 
  • the coaching is double decked (the TGV-POS's are at first sight quite similar, only obvious difference being the single story coaches).
  
   
              
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TGV-POS     


The brand new TGV-POS units number 4407 and 4419 pose the camera in Paris Gare de l'Est. Picture above by Sanna Siissalo 2008.  
TGV POS units 4413 and 4416 Paris Gare de l'EstTGV-POS units in between their assignments at Gare de l'Est in Paris of units 4413 and 4416. Picture by Robert Forsstrom 2009.     
The TGV-POS was a necessary addition and the next step forward in the development of these highly successful super high speed TGV-series.  The POS version added among other things an improved AC traction motors and the maximum normal operational speed was now raised to 320 km/h on the LGV towards the Germany.  


Technical details to be added, the ones below are mainly from the older TGV-Duplex. While many details have remained the same, there are differences as well.  
-> Delivered to use: 2007 - present (1st batch 1995-98, 2001-2004 2nd, 3rd and 4th batches, 2004-2006 5th batch, Duplex "Dasy" 2007-2009)
-> Number of units: 19 (in order 200?)
-> Configuration: Power Car + 8 double decked trailers + PC
-> Capacity: 545 passengers in a comfortable two class configuration
-> Owned and operated by SNCF (The French National Railways)
-> Operations area: Around the high speed and traditional networks in France and Switzerland

-> Unit length: 200,2 meters
-> Unit power: 9280 kW (____ Hp), 4 powered bogies on locomotives
-> Power to weight ratio (Hp): 31,04
-> ??? bicurrent versions: 25kV 50-60 Hz AC, 1500V DC
-> ?? tricurrent versions: 25kV 50-60 Hz AC, 1500V DC, 15kV 16,66 Hz AC
-> Operational max. speed: 300-320 km/h

-> Mass, metric tons: 380t net / 424 t gross
-> Power car wheel diameter: 920 mm
-> Coupler type: Scharfenberg for coupling with TGV-Atlantique, TGV-Réseau and TGV-Duplex sets in multiple  
-> Duplexes are pressure sealed (like airplanes) for better comfort running through tunnels /meeting another train
-> Track axle weight max: 17 tons


Easy recognition
  • Painted silver and, with a narrow blue stripe.
  • The engine is streamlined like in the picture on the left, edges rounder than on the older versions. 
  • Just one flat windshield.
  • the trailers are single story.
   
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TGVs in order        


The brand new TGV-POS units number 4407 and 4419 pose the camera in Paris Gare de l'Est. Picture above by Sanna Siissalo 2008.  
TGV-POS units in between their assignments at Gare de l'Est in Paris of units 4413 and 4416. Picture by Robert Forsstrom 2009.     
To be continued soon...he TGV-POS was a necessary addition and the next step forward in the development of these highly successful super high speed TGV-series.  The POS version added among other things an improved AC traction motors and the maximum normal operational speed was now raised to 320 km/h on the LGV towards the Germany.  


Technical details to be added, the ones below are mainly from the older TGV-Duplex. While many details have remained the same, there are differences as well.  
-> Delivered to use: 2007 - present (1st batch 1995-98, 2001-2004 2nd, 3rd and 4th batches, 2004-2006 5th batch, Duplex "Dasy" 2007-2009)
-> Number of units: 19 (in order 200?)
-> Configuration: Power Car + 8 double decked trailers + PC
-> Capacity: 545 passengers in a comfortable two class configuration
-> Owned and operated by SNCF (The French National Railways)
-> Operations area: Around the high speed and traditional networks in France and Switzerland

-> Unit length: 200,2 meters
-> Unit power: 9280 kW (____ Hp), 4 powered bogies on locomotives
-> Power to weight ratio (Hp): 31,04
-> ??? bicurrent versions: 25kV 50-60 Hz AC, 1500V DC
-> ?? tricurrent versions: 25kV 50-60 Hz AC, 1500V DC, 15kV 16,66 Hz AC
-> Operational max. speed: 300-320 km/h

-> Mass, metric tons: 380t net / 424 t gross
-> Power car wheel diameter: 920 mm
-> Coupler type: Scharfenberg for coupling with TGV-Atlantique, TGV-Réseau and TGV-Duplex sets in multiple  
-> Duplexes are pressure sealed (like airplanes) for better comfort running through tunnels /meeting another train
-> Track axle weight max: 17 tons


Easy recognition
  • Painted silver and, with a narrow blue stripe.
  • The engine is streamlined like in the picture on the left, edges rounder than on the older versions. 
  • Just one flat windshield.
  • the trailers are single story.
   
              
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AGV - Automotrice a Grande Vitesse      


Picture of the Alstom AGV in early tests at Velim larger test rink. Picture by Miroslav Broz 2008, provided under Creative Commons Licence.


  
  The AGV Special Page...  

The AGV is the newest super high speed development model by the TGV builder Alstom. The train itself looks very much like the 10 year old ICE3 / Velaro and the idealogy behind it would appear to be at first look the same: saving the space of a locomotive (which is at the both ends of the TGV train) adds up revenue seats by almost a hundred! A notice the train operators can't ignore. However, the double decked TGV duplex is as well quite efficient revenue magnet, wioth proven technology the AGV can not provide for a few years.  
 
So maybe the real reason to design the AGV was after all the need to compete with now relatively successfull Velaro family of Siemens (which has claimed both Spanish and Russian markets plus some 60 unit built in for the Chinese super high speed networks). The AGV is actually slightly more advanced than the Velaro: The AGV has articulated bogies, a feature which both adds to the lightness of the design and makes the structure safer. TGVs articulated structure is notorious for its good behavior when accidents (very rarely) occur. While nonarticulated structure structure might zip zag in case of an accident, the articulated cars are said to stay well lined up even off rails. The AGVs maximum speed is 360 km/h, the same as Velaro family today.           
   
Alstom has also announced the lead customer for the new train design: NTV (Nuovo Trasporto Viaggiatori) has ordered 25 (+10 options) AGVs to be delivered from the year 2010 onwards. NTV AGVs will be taken into use in the Italian growing super high speed network.  In the near future, Italy will also be connected through Switzerlands mountain high speed tunnels with the super fast networks of the France, Germany and a little further to the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Great Britain and even Spain, a truly international European network of super high speed lines!  
   
Technical details
-> Delivered to use:
     NTV: 2010 -

-> Number of units: (25 (+10 options)), to be serviced by Alstom for 30 years.
-> Configuration: flexible, 7 - 14 cars, the AGV design basic unit has 3 units + 4 bogies, and these can be coupled together with intermediate car. The configurations thus are: 7 units (3+i+3), 11 units (3+i+3+i+3) and interestingly 14 units (3+1+6+i+3).      
-> Capacity:  300 - 700 passengers depending on the configuration
-> (to be) Owned and operated by: NTV (Nuovo Trasporto Viaggiatori, Italy) 11 car versions. SNCF, Renfe and Eurostar likely to follow soon. 
-> Possible operations area:  most of European super high speed network: ie.
Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Spain, United Kingdom, the Netherlands, ...
   
-> Unit length: 130 - 250 meters
-> Unit power: 6000 - 12000 kW (      Hp) depending on the unit length
-> Power to weight ratio : 22,6 kW/ton  (    Hp)
-> quad current version: 25kV 50 Hz, 15kV 16,66 Hz, 3000V DC, 1500V DC
-> Bogie motor type: permanent magnet motors with power feed back capability (new motor type to be used). Each 3 car unit has outermost bogies powered.   
-> IGBT traction converters next to the powered bogies.
-> Operational max. speed: 360 km/h (7 unit sets 300 km/h due to the TSI braking rules)

-> Mass, metric tons: 270 - 510 metric tons net  
-> Power car wheel diameter:  mm
-> Trailer lenght: 17,1 m (TGV 's 18.7 m)
-> Trailer width: 3,0 meters (TGV's 2,9 m)
-> train  control: ERTMS to run on all major European lines
-> Coupler type: to be added
-> Track axle weight max: 17 tons  


Easy recognition
  • Only a prototype available, we will add pictures later.
NTV AGV specifics: 25 firm orders for period starting in 2010, + 10 options. These units are 11 module versions, and will include the contract for Alstom for 30 year servicing for the trains.  According to sources at TR Europe the coaches will be painted (surprisingly) "Ferrari red". The trains will have two classes, with the "top class" with reclinig leather seats, TV-screens and internet access, stereo and minibar. Sounds like these trains will have similar services that the airliners first class might have today.  

AGV versus TGV (single story versions) 
- AGV provides +20% passenger space / unit
- Use of permanent magnet motors on AGV means lighter weight, and less energy consuption, less noise and vibration inside, less maintenance.  
- the double decked version of the AGV is to follow according to Francois Lacote, the director of the project. This will add capacity so that the AGV will be able to match the capacity transported by the double decked TGV's (TGV-Duplex, TGV-Hybrid and TGV-Dasy units). 

History of the AGV development
See the special AGV Theme Page...
 
  
              
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Sources: The Net, La vie du Rail, Railway Gazette, TR Europe, Alles uber TGV, TGV Handbook, ...  

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